Soulborn141

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So i'm a dying light player with roughly 200 hours on the game with little knowledge about the BTZ game mode or other known as the PvP side of the game. When i play as the NH, i'm either getting matched with people with over 1000 hours in the game, or someone that just bought the game and has maybe 10 hours max. And when i'm a survivor taking invasions, its the same concept. I'm never getting matched with people at my skill level. I'm getting sick and tired of the matchmaking with people over 1000 hours, and i just feel bad playing against people who have absolutely no idea whats going on. I mean, whats the point in having ranks if they aren't gonna be used in how you match with other players? Another problem i have while playing as the survivor is having a hunter join in multiple times after beating me to farm as much exp as possible, or just to be a total chupacabra and troll me. This mainly happens when i'm playing with multiple people, and it really gets on my nerves because sometimes i want to play with other people and learn how to deal with other types of play styles, rather than playing against someone with the same one over and over again. Techlands, if you see this post, please do something about it.

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On 10/22/2017 at 4:05 AM, Soulborn141 said:

So i'm a dying light player with roughly 200 hours on the game with little knowledge about the BTZ game mode or other known as the PvP side of the game. When i play as the NH, i'm either getting matched with people with over 1000 hours in the game, or someone that just bought the game and has maybe 10 hours max. And when i'm a survivor taking invasions, its the same concept. I'm never getting matched with people at my skill level. I'm getting sick and tired of the matchmaking with people over 1000 hours, and i just feel bad playing against people who have absolutely no idea whats going on. I mean, whats the point in having ranks if they aren't gonna be used in how you match with other players? Another problem i have while playing as the survivor is having a hunter join in multiple times after beating me to farm as much exp as possible, or just to be a total chupacabra and troll me. This mainly happens when i'm playing with multiple people, and it really gets on my nerves because sometimes i want to play with other people and learn how to deal with other types of play styles, rather than playing against someone with the same one over and over again. Techlands, if you see this post, please do something about it.

Well, first of all, ranks are one of the two things that determine how your server's gonna look to the opponent's screen. The other factor is amount of wins/losses. Once you reach max rank in this game it's almost impossible to get de-ranked (or fully impossible? Never happened to me or anyone I know). This means an Apex Predator could've been racking up losses like mad and eventually your game would be displayed as a 4-bar green game, so he'd invade you.

You can somewhat avoid the scenario of skill mismatch when you're playing Hunter - just never, ever use Quick Join. Search through matchmaking, this is how you should view games:

2 orange bars: Either way too difficult or way too easy. Always ignore these servers.

3 orange bars: Somewhat difficult or somewhat easy

4 green bars: Mostly suited for you. The best middleground.

5 green bars: Perfectly suited for your amount of wins/losses and your rank

This goes for Survivor as well. Beating up several inexperienced Hunters that do nothing to up your skill will make your game look suited for high rank Hunters, making it a spiral of mismatch. Unfortunately, I agree that average players are the most rare these days. If someone tries to farm you just quit out before the game begins, it won't count as a loss. If you feel bad for being matched with a new Hunter, I'd advise to just let him gain as much XP as he can, but keep the win for yourself. And there is no harm in getting carried a little bit, or at the very least learning the game from people with more hours than you. Send out some friend requests, learn the game, and reach the point where you only want highly skilled Hunters invading you.

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Well that's the problem though. I'm an apex, and games that are matched 4-5 bars would be either a prey that has little to no experience. Or someone that sweats their balls off in pvp mode with 2k+ hours. I fought a guy with literally no experience, just got the game i'm guessing an hour ago, and he was a 4 ranking.

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Although another problem i have, which i'm sure many people can agree on, is dodge spamming. Its something that the zombie puts up with almost every game, and it can be really annoying because 90% of the time, it is near impossible to land a tackle on someone that is doing this. I think the survivors should have a tiny cooldown to dodging. It would encourage people to require more skill and timing to dodge a tackle, rather then spamming back and spacebar in hopes to dodge every tackle thrown at them. Another thing i really hope techlands will fix really soon, is the night hunter clipping and trying to climb up a hill when trying to jump on slanted ground like hills. I'm sure anyone that has played as the night hunter has experienced this issue. And maybe a better anti cheat system. Even with VAC on i still seem to encounter hackers when playing as the hunter. 

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5 hours ago, Soulborn141 said:

Even with VAC on i still seem to encounter hackers when playing as the hunter. 

I honestly think this is where your problem is. I don't even remember finding more than 2 servers on VAC-secure, so I've kept it off for all my playtime. I suggest you do the same, hackers:legit players ratio is like 2:8.

As for 4-5 barred games being either Preys or someone with 2k hours, that's a lie. It can only be one of the two, that's how the game is designed, and Apex Predators can't even get Preys as anything more than a 3-barred orange game. I know, because I've tested it with an Apex with only losses.

Anyway, get a feel for your matchmaking menu and start picking from there. The game definitely has a number of faults, but I can say I've always used matchmaking accurately.

 

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About the dodge spam: yes, it's a thing. No, it will never get addressed. That's how Digital Scapes feels it's fair. Though a cooldown isn't the right solution, it would be piss easy to casually sprint up to the Survivor, him guessing when you're gonna Tackle wrong, and you just Tackling him when you know he's on a cooldown. Unavoidable 33% HP loss doesn't sound fun or fair.

Completely agree on the Hunter climbing up hills, however. This is why I avoid Slums for the life of me, that map is so bad for PvP.

Edited by Vallon

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Idk i feel there should be some sort of counter to dodge spammers. I remember seeing some sort of a spike mutation that would do damage to the player for dodging a tackle on the forums, and the devs didnt think it was a bad idea, but i think that would be too much. Consistently tackling would be an easy kill if that were to exist.

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You need to learn how to move around the survivors to take advantage of their blind spots on where they can't dodge the tackle.

Since you should've noticed by now that if you just run straight up to the survivor and attempt to tackle it's not gonna work unless the survivor is mentally disabled.

Edited by Keenan

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to answer some of your questions 

Vac has and will not always block cheats as you stated already ...they get updated faster than vac does. Terrible to play on vac for several reasons the one you've already mentioned and most play non vac as lower ranked players falsely report high hour players for cheating when they have honestly been outplayed 95% of the time. There are far more skilled players than there is cheaters...and most cheaters are not skilled players...it's why the are cheating to begin with.

Vallon was correct in what he stated with the matchmaking...but i will add some tweaks.......your hunter is most likely in transition. You have become too good for your current tier and are being pushed into the next one with more skilled players. We don't get to see w/l ratio so to judge just look at their hours in game it will give you a rough idea of the skill level. Don't focus on ranks as much just because someone is prey doesn't always mean new player. I and many other high hour players have restarted the game many times just to see how we could do with a minimal skill human. 

The hunter is not limited in manually choosing a match, it has always been this way.......any hunter of any rank is free to challenge any human.....it's why the exp players popup was added way back. If you see the exp players pop up they have way more wins than you do across all matches played....best not to invade them they are not a good match for you.

An Apex can de-rank but it has to be very close to them just getting the rank and losing....you will bounce between the 2 ranks until win is (more than loss or even).  once you have a certain number of wins as apex it will be very hard to rank down.

Tackles ....sounds like you need to mix things up a little to land more. No hunter is gonna land every tackle but mixing it up should increase the number you land with success.

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